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03-01-2006 08:21 AM
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at my last ob visit my afp test came back positive for ds.they did another still positive.1:50 i was given the option to terminate.dont think so.my doctor told me my risks are so high to miscarry that she didnt feel the amnio was safe , because i dont want to terminate.they are scheduling a level 2 3d u/s in 6 weeks .i am not afraid of my little girl having d/s.i just want her to be healthy..i am not sure because everything i have heard is different for each child.i was told not everything will show on this u/s the waiting is scarry.they said they will run more tests when she is born.she is already going to be born c-sec,due to other issues.i am now a mom of 4 she has two older sisters(6 & 12)and an older brother(14).they cant wait to meet her.are their any special things we should have for her? i know that probably sounds ignorant.i feel like i am jumping a gun by posting ,but with the odds being as high as they are i need some type of answers from someone, anyone who knows anything.

03-01-2006 08:44 AM
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Congratulations on your new baby girl!. The AFP tests are notoriously unreliable--we passed ours fine for DS, but they thought are daughter had spina bifida--and it turned out to be the opposite. If they are giving you odds of 1 in 50, remember that means there is a 98% chance that the baby does not have DS. On the ultrasound, they will be looking for problems with the heart (because a lot of kids with DS have such issues) and they will be measuring the lengths of the long bones in the legs (children with DS sometimes have shorter leg bones than other children).

Please remember that regardless of whether this baby has DS or not, she is the same baby you have been loving since her conception. DS is not such a terrible thing--if you scroll through this website you will see tons of lovely children who are adored by their families including their siblings. Our older kids have been Anna's greatest supporters--this morning I woke to hear my 12 year old son singing to his little sister "You are my sunshine". The big brother and sister can't get enough of Anna. Even the neighbor kids come over just to play with Anna. She has brought such joy to our family as I'm sure your little beauty will do to yours.

This is a safe place to ask questions, vent, cry, etc. Please feel free to ask anything you want--somebody on the forum will probably have an answer to you.

In the meantime, enjoy the ultrasound--its so cool to get such a picture of your baby.
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03-01-2006 10:02 AM
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still confused(very long)

they told me that her chance of having ds was vey high. that 1:50 was greater than the 1:374.its the heart problems i am concerned for her and lung issues.i have already had one u/s and she said dont loose sleep over heart etc for now.(by the way she is so beautiful)their main conceren is at first ,i got huge(lots of fluid) now meauremaent is slowing.she appears to be a little under size but we expected that. all my children were small ,have periodontal(which affects size)etc.. none were low birth weight (under 5.8 lbs)my third child my biggest was 6.6 and 18 inches long.i had 3 micarriages due to abnormalties they called them.preterm labor with my son,ovary burst at 5 1/2 wks with baby #2 had emergency surgery then she was born c-sec.,baby #3 everything seemed fine then fundal measurement stopped climbing.she was born with an underdeveloped nervous system breast feeding was a nightmare at first.they cannot find anything wrong now.
i was not prepared for news from doctor.but at first was fine.although i thought she had four heads for asking if i wanted to end the pregnancy.she will only be born c-sec because of previous cancer of the cervix.on the way home i broke down and cried.(yes just like a little kid)thank god my husband was driving.soon after i was filled with peace.my other children have been told of the possible outcome they dont care either and just want her to get here soon.my husband is wonderful.but..he still hasnt even mention it to his family.we have all heard their ignorant statements.

03-01-2006 10:03 AM
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Congratulations!! What an exciting, but scary, time for you!! And a little girl, too!!

We didn't have any tests for our first (our son Jaymes) other than the Level 2 u/s. No markers there. So it came as quite a surprise that he was born with DS. I wouldn't trade him for the world now!! Thankfully, he does not have the heart issues that so many of our kids have. He falls into the other 50% that don't have those issues. He did however, have leukemia when he was born. He's in remission now and, with a lot of luck and prayer, will stay that way for many years. We are currently expecting our 2nd child - a girl! We did the AFP, it came back negative. We had an u/s - no markers. We did not, and will not, do the amnio. I place no stock in any of those tests so we'll just wait until she's born and see what happens.

Read through our posts. Ask any questions you want. Chances are someone here has already been there, done that. DS comes in a wide spectrum. You just won't know until your little one starts growing. But, honestly, it really isn't such a bad thing sometimes. My son is just like all the "typical" kids. He's stubborn and willful, playful and goofy, very sneaky and quite the problem-solver! The first year was the hardest, but each year, each day gets a little easier.

As Mary said, enjoy your pregnancy! She'll be here in no time. By the way, when are you due?
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03-01-2006 10:13 AM
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Congratulations on your new baby! I know this is probably a very scary time for you.I think the not knowing must be very difficult.I am not trying to give you false hope but I have heard many cases of the afp being wrong.I personally believe they scare people to death. For us it came back fine and then our daughter does have DS. Whatever happens though it will be ok. Once you have that beautiful little one in your arms you will just fall in love with her.The level 2 ultrasound is a good start. It can't tell you 100%but will give a better idea of what's going on.As far as anything special you need for her, I wouldn't buy anything like that just yet.Our babies are just that, buy baby stuff.Anything special you may need will come later, I can't think of anything you will need right away.If anything comes up like special feeding items the hospital will get you all set before you go home. I noticed your name and am wondering where you are from. I live in upstate NY and know of a woman named Pansy Allen and I don't think that is a common name!(pretty though!)
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03-01-2006 11:04 AM
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Congratulations for you!! I'm so glad you found us! You sound like a TERRIFIC mom and your kids are so lucky to have you

Like you, our AFP indicated Down Syndrome but on level II U/S there wasn't even the tiniest marker. 99.9% he didn't have it says the geneticist. And he was LONG, too... 22 or 22.5 inches long, lol, he's just a big boy. He did, however, have heart problems that required surgery (at 5 mos. old). ASD, VSD, and PDA, but they weren't evident on U/S because they are holes that are there in an unborn child but are supposed to close immediately after birth.

I would carry on with the level II U/S so you can make sure there isn't any more serious problems with the heart, etc., and just have your baby in a hospital that has a NICU. Things will work out wonderfully!


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03-01-2006 11:53 AM
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Congratulations on your soon to be born little baby girl

Have you thought of any names yet?

As for anything special, when she is first born all she will need is alot of tending loving care and plenty of love ( the same as any other baby )

You can think about buying things that will help her at a later date as when she is first born she will be a baby

keep us updated and we can't wait to meet her

don't be afraid to ask any questions here, we will support you all the way with your pregnancy and afterwards too
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03-01-2006 01:26 PM
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im originally from upstate ny.moved to florida 1 year ago.i have been given july 16 then ,july 10 and then august 6.they say it could change again?that happened with my son whos now 14. Merra Evalyn is her name.she has been very quiet the past few days(maybe because ive been going non stop)she moves most at about 8-9pm.funny whenever i do eat chocolate(which is rare) she gets hiccups.my husband said you can hear them also.my 12 year old was trying to explain to her 6 year old sister about genes.my 6 year old is convinced there designer and wants them.atleast if her sister has them anyway.buying baby things has been hard for me because my husband and son keep getting them first.they cant go by the baby stuff.heres a question why would my mom ask if i had to go to the social security office if she has ds? and why do people tell me the doctors are not right they cant be?the chance is there.its like they dont want it to be true even if it is.im sorry but we were told to treat this pregnancy as if she definately has ds.are people that afraid of it?i know my mom had all things linked as one ds,autism,cp,sb all of it.alot of the terms are vague to me as far as conditions or complications.plain old english definitions would be great.ive found most in the forum.

03-01-2006 01:53 PM
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You will find that most people fear what they don't know. Most of us had very little exposure to people with Ds until we were thrust into this situation. It takes people, including your family, a while to get used to it all. Sometimes, people are just trying to protect you by telling you it's unlikely. When the baby arrives and you find out if she has it, then your family will be more accepting of the idea.

I don't know why your mom told you to go to the social security office.

You may not know this already but all children with disabilities are entitled to free early intervention programs through their state. Here in New York the programs are administered through the health department. Should you get a positive diagnosis, your hospital social worker should be able to help you get set up. In NY most early intervention is done in the child's home with visits by a variety of professionals such as speech therapists (ST), occupational therapists (OT), physical therapists (PT) and special ed teachers (which have different titles depending on where you are geographically). The frequency and type of professional sent to the home vary a lot by state and even by county.

As far as medical complications that your mom is worried about, although children with ds seem to have a little more in that direction than a typical child, many children with ds have very little in the way of medical problems. Our daughter, who is over 2 has been sick very little, and had no major problems other than a hole in her heart that closed on its own without intervention. Knock on wood, Anna hasn't even had one ear infection.
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03-01-2006 02:04 PM
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Mary is sooo right. I just wanted to add, too, that after a while of having your daughter around, everyone will wonder what they were so worried about. They'll all be kicking themselves thinking, "this is soo not a big deal." I guess everyone has to come to terms with the unknown in their own ways. I was afraid some of our friends and family would have a negative reaction to Drake. Whoa, I was wrong. He's got everyone wrapped around his pinkie
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03-02-2006 10:32 AM
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Just remember that the AFP and any other test (other than amnio – which I would not do personally) is not always accurate. In fact, I wouldn’t put much stock in any test. Sometimes they are right, a lot of times they are wrong. Glad you are NOT terminating your angel, Ds or not, heart issues or not. They should be able to tell more about the heart issues in the level II u/s. Janna’s AV Canal heart defect was detected at 20 weeks gestation, first by level II u/s and then confirmed by fetal echo. And you are right, things can be different for each child. There are many healthy kids with Ds on this site, there are also many healthy kids on this site who have had heart surgeries. The special things that you should have for a child born with Ds – I think you already have – a heart full of love and siblings that love her already too.
She’s gonna be a precious baby to love and cuddle and care for, no matter if Ds is present or not. If she truly does have heart issues, she may not get to come home from the hospital right away but most do not stay very long unless surgery is needed right away. Depending on the type of heart defect, she could get to go home for several months and have surgery when she’s a few months old. Or in a lot of cases, the defect or holes in the heart sometimes close up on their own and she would just have to be monitored and visit a cardiologist on a regular basis until the holes are closed. You are not jumping the gun – being prepared is a wonderful thing and this site carries a wealth of knowledge and support from some wonderful and loving parents of kids with Ds.

Sounds like you faced a lot with #3 – so glad that she is doing well now. Sometimes feeding is an issue for babies with Ds – so it sounds like you may already have experience with that. It’s okay to break down and cry and I’m glad that your husband and children are supportive. Once his family sees your angel, I pray they will fall in love, Ds or not, heart issues or not.

Your mom may have asked about SS Office because those with disabilities, including those with Ds sometimes qualify for SSI – a supplemental income (not very large) they can receive monthly to help. And no one knows who is right. Merra’s arrival will answer a lot of questions. And yes, many are afraid of and don’t deal well with Ds. So I think they like to warn people so they can prepare as needed. I know some terminate and some give up for adoption, etc. They want you to prepare and make your decisions and I’m glad you are choosing to raise the gift God is giving to you. And yes, some with Ds do have autism, cp, luekemia, etc. But so do typical kids. They do not go hand and hand. Mainly heart defects, GI/feeding issues, thyroid problems, those type things are common in kids with Ds. You can read all about various health issues here on this site. Some have them, some do not. Ask all the questions you want as there is much experience here.

Can’t wait to meet Miss Merra this summer. Keep us updated on your angel. God bless your family, aj

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03-20-2006 09:04 AM
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i had an appointment with a genetisist? on friday. i am more confused than ever.they also had me see an ultra-sound specialist.my baby is a boy not a girl .Sean Tyler is his name. they also asked me if icared that he has ds. i said no.then they told me he has a 3mm cyst on his brain.

03-20-2006 10:02 AM
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Sean is a beautiful name--I have a brother with that name. So are they saying he has DS? As far as the cyst are concerned, I've heard of a lot of babies who have cysts in utero, but they go away before birth and don't cause any problems.
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03-20-2006 10:42 AM
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the doctor said this exactly."does the fact he has ds affect what you will do about this pregnancy?"but he also said he didnt feel an amnio was called for in this case.how would you take that?he said there is a 1% chance Sean will not have ds.he said they will do a keryotype blood test to determine which form it is when he's born.the genetisist said my husbands and my history together for pregnancy raised red flags and does not understand why we weren't given the option for testing before.also that with family history ,she really didn't know why we wern't told any of this.in 4 weeks they are going to check the cyst again,for growth ,shrinkage or if the same.he said 3mm is small but the baby is only 16cm so that is his concern.but he's at 9 oz.they said thats a good weight.they would like to schedule an echo-cardiogram as well(as a precaution)there have been 3 family members with holes in there hearts.one is my 10 month old nephew.my father has 2 girls with ds from a pevious marriage and they said i actually have some soft markers myself(my toes and nails)?

03-21-2006 07:07 AM
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Congratulations on your baby!!! Try to remember that it is the specialists job to raise concerns and prepare you for the worst case scenario. They did that to me and upset me a lot. I also had to have a c-section.
Your job is to be his Mum and I am sure you are very good at being a Mum. Your other kids will be great brothers and sisters and you will have a beautiful baby.

I have a 16 yr old girl, 9 yr old girl, 7 yr old boy and Talitha (DS) who is now 4 months old. She has an AVSD heart defect which is very serious but correctible by surgery (happening on Thursday this week). My kids all love her. None of the dreadful things the specialists said have come to pass. Apart from her heart she is healthy and happy and just eating, sleeping, pooping and dribbling and looking extremely cute just like any other baby.

Keep in touch with us at Downsyn. The people here are very positive, helpful and extremely knowledgeable. They have been an inspiration to me and continue to be.
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03-21-2006 08:26 AM
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CONGRATS!!!
This will sound crazy maybe, but just RELAX! I know it is the fear of the unknown but you have to just take it for what it's worth, becasue no matter if she is born with DS or not you will look back at this a year doen the road and say WHAT WAS I SO WORRIED ABOUT???

You need nothing special, just typical baby stuff! She/he will be just like your other kids, cry sleep alot, poop, you know run of the mill.

You are not jumping the gun. You are smart to educate yourself about such a seemingly scary thing! I didn't have the guts to get on here for a while so you are doing great!

You will do fine!Keep us updated!!!
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03-21-2006 08:33 AM
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You know what is really odd here, is that my sister, who has 5 children, had 2 of her AFP tests come back positive and 2 of her babies had cysts on their brains, and neither one of them had Ds. They made her go on to have an amnio and everything, NO Ds. AFP tests are NOT conclusive at all and that's why I never had one to begin with and I hear that the cysts on the brain are fairly common and go away within months. I wouldn't worry so much, things will be fine and if your baby DOES have Ds, at least they aren't detecting any heart problems.
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Welcome to the site. I agree with everyone else. Ds isn't that big of deal. If Sean has DS you'll need time to adjust but you learn as he grows. So relax. Go out and buy the cute little outfits for Sean and all that fun stuff. It's good to prepare on some level but your never really prepared. It like having that first baby again. You'd dream about walks in the park and holding a quite baby in your arms looking lovingly at him/her. Then the baby is born and you find that the days last forever. You never get out of your PJ until after 2:00 and the baby cries all the time. I remeber looking at Larry after Caleb has cried all night long and said who's idea was this baby thing.
So get as much information as you feel that you need but don't get too overwhelmed with it. If Sean has ds you'll learn as you go. Like Vonda sister, my friend was told that her daughter has ds they prepared and the baby was born and it was just a regular kid.
So please continue to ask whatever questions you have. There will always someone is here to answer and than try remember that the not really knowing is sometimes worse then the real diagnoses
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03-22-2006 11:40 AM
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Welcome!! I know we all say that DS is not a big deal and you are probably thinking "yeah right".. But once that sweet boy is born and you hold him you won't care. My Lacey is 20 months and I couldn't imagine her being anything else but DS and wouldn't trade her for all the money in the world, neither would her dad or sisters..

It is alot to deal with but just put it in God's hands and I promise he WILL take care of everything..

I love the name you picked out, so perfect..

You have come to the right place for support and answers and we will be here if you need to just rant or cry.. But I can say that if I knew when Lacey was born what I know today I would of only cried because her heart was bad not because she had DS..

Please keep us posted and God Bless you, your angel and your family..
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