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02-23-2006 10:58 AM
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This may be a stupid question but I was wondering if any one has with held immunization for your DS children? Are there any concerns withholding immunizations? I have read about concerns about immunizations just for the general population. I don’t know how much I believe in with holding immunization. I was just curious what others have done or not done.
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02-23-2006 11:00 AM
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Bonnie, there are no stupid questions!! LOL.

Our ped has encouraged us to immunize Daniel just like any other child. He has had no reactions to any immunizations he has had.
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02-23-2006 11:19 AM
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Angela has gotten every vaccination. To be honest, I'd be scared to death NOT doing a DPT with whooping caugh making a comeback (my stepson had it last year at the age of 16!) Most of the things that could be fought off with antibiotics (like whooping caugh) could kill our kids pretty quickly.
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02-23-2006 11:36 AM
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We do not vaccinate. It is a choice each parent must make, weighing risks vs. benefits. Do lots of research on both sides of the issue! Our SLT no longer believes children with DS should receive most shots - she has seen progressing children go backwards right after them. But not all, of course. The difficulty is that you don't know if your child will be adversly affected or have a bad reaction or allergy until after you do it. It's a hard decision either way.
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I usually sprend them out a little more. for instance if she's due four i allow 2 and go back in a couple of weeks. But that's just for my fears of over load when they want to give her 4 or 5 at a time. my doctors don't nag me about it ethier.My other daughter cassey i just did what ever they said.
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Callum has had all his immunizations at about the right ages. We did hold off on the MMR until about 6 months after he should have had it. His ped wanted him to have a few words before she gave it just so we'd have a marker in case he regressed. She also said that we could do the MMR in single shots instead of the combined if we wanted to. We ended up doing the combined shot and did it slightly earlier than we intended as there was a measels outbreak at his school.
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02-23-2006 12:40 PM
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Noah has gotten all of the immunizations that my other children got, including Chicken Pox and Hepatitis B.
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Matt's the same as most of the other kids here. He's had all the vaccinations at the times other kids had them, and had no reactions.
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02-23-2006 04:23 PM
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Hannah had all of her vaccinations.We have also had the chicken pox and pnemonia vaccine. For us the risks of her NOT being vaccinated scared the heck out of me.Like Leah said our kids are so much more at risk when they do catch these diseases.We did wait about two months longer to start because Hannah had heart surgery at seven weeks. This was at the advice of her DR.She has never had any reaction.
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Elainah has had all of her vaccines. However, she has also had every ailment they are supposed to prevent. RSV, pneumonia, flu, and chicken pox. I have pretty much become used to the fact that she responds this way, and the outbreaks of such illnesses were not as severe-so still worthy of having the vaccine.

We have elected to have the vaccines without mercury when available, only because of the general hype that is discussed so frequently with childhood immunizations and mecury.
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Carson has had all of the shots when he was supposed to. He has not had any adverse reactions to them.

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Last fall (I think?) here in MN, there is a small Amish commity in Central MN that had a polio outbreak. A friend of mine is a SLP there working with a 2 year old with DS in the community. (no clue how that ended up happening) The entire community was quarantined, and the only people going in and out for several weeks were medical professionals. No thanks...I'd rather vaccinate.
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Hannah had her vaccines slightly later as the heart hosp advised it ( they said she was to get over surgery first )

we still haven't had the MMR but then neither has Rebecca and I think she is due a booster jab for something else but can't remember which one it is?? Maybe someone from the UK can let me know


Also we don't get the chickenpox vaccine here in the UK

and we didn't used to get the flu jab but I have heard recently that they have just agreed to give it to children who are higher risk of chest infections but as yet Hannah hasnt had it
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Oh my Leah, wow that would be an awful scare.
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There is alot of different views on vaccinations. We do not vaccinate and we are very thankful we haven't. Here's some vaccine info links, for you to look at -

http://www.redflagsdaily.com

http://www.redflagsweekly.com/conferences/vaccines/sept15_Fisher.html
-----best article we've seen on it

ThinkTwice Global Vaccine Institute http://www.thinktwice.com/

Secret government database of vaccine damaged children:
http://www.thinktwice.com/secret.htm

http://www.safeminds.org

National Vaccine Information Center, http://www.nvic.org

Defeat Autism Now (DAN) http://autism.com/ari/dan/contents.html

Moms Against Mercury http://www.momsagainstmercury.com/

NoMercury.org http://www.nomercury.org/ http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html
http://www.ctvia.org/

link to package inserts
http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/01/transcripts/3733t1.rtf

National Vaccine Information Center at http://www.909shot.org

Dr Mercola's website at http://www.mercola.com (type in vaccine or vaccination and you'll get alot of results)

Information regarding your pediatrician's and the Center for Disease Control's position on vaccination can be found at http://www.CDC.gov

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03-09-2006 08:10 AM
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Bonnie

We have had all vacinations that are recommended. I am with Leah with this one. I would worry more about measels as it's on the increase here cos parent are not taking up the vacinations options.

I also think that our kids are in and out of hospitals much more than typical kids and as such are exposed to so much more.

I noticed that Robert's hearing went down after his first two vacinations. Infact it was after his first shot that I realised that he had hearing problems.

I waited a wee bit longer with Robert cos of his low birth weight, so he got his four month one at six months, etc.
Otherwise everthing was fine.

Are your vacination shots free in the US? All of them are free here.
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03-09-2006 08:43 AM
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Chloe has had all of her also . I also feel the risks from the vacc are better than the chance of them getting something that could really make them sick. she has enough stuff with ear infections and her respiratory problems.

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03-09-2006 10:41 AM
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Drake is WAY behind on his immunizations. Mercury scares the hell out of me. I REFUSE the MMR because these hobunk doctors around here REFUSE to separate it. I have met, persronally, a family whose child was FINE one day. Had the vaccination, MMR, and the next day the child was autistic. And have relatives who have met many more just like this one. The risk of measels, mumps or whatever else is a much easier one for me to take. You just don't die these days from those. Besides, my sister had ALL of her childhood immunizations and boosters and it was just a couple of years ago that she acquired mumps. She was sick for several months and there wasn't a darn thing they could do for her. They say it's WAY worse in adults. So why not let our kids get chicken pox and stuff and get it out of their system. I'll prolly get the polio vaccines and stuff, if he hasn't already had them, but those diseases that can't kill him don't scare me. Autism does. I can't imagine losing my child as I know him over an immunization.
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03-09-2006 10:58 AM
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Thanks for everyone's replies. I did go ahead and give Anthony his 2 month shots. He has had Hepatitis B, HIB, PCV7, Poliovirus, DTP so far. I vaccinated all of my other children but was also concerned that there are other reason people wait. I am concerned about the autism and that dose scare me more then having a child with DS. Leah, I did remember that small Amish community that had an out break last year. That was really scary. I guess what I am saying I am for vacations but I am scared about having Autism. I will keep reading and researching. Thanks Kokie for the web sites.
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Joni and Anna started the shots late because they were both preemies.Our doctor agreed that they should start later. I don't think Joni got any shots except the one for rsv until after her open heart surgery. And so far neither of them have their mmr shot. I don't give that shot until they are over three. I was just thinking about that. I was trying to remember if she did get the MMR shot when she was 4 but I don't think she did. Anna will be 5 this year and I think we'll hold out and get her the rebella shot when she is a little older. I am not going to give Joni the MMR until her speech is well established.
There is a really interesting fact that in Japan they don't start immunizations until their kids are over 2 and they have a very low rate of autism and other neurological disorders.
I guess it's one of those things that each of us has to decide. Because if something goes wrong whether we choose to get the shots or not to we have to be able to honestly say we did the best thing and stand by that. Good luck in your decision.
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03-09-2006 05:20 PM
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klem - the Einstein Syndrome listserv talks alot about vaccinations and mercury . . . they post the latest on the mercury in vaccines every now and then. If you search the archives, especially there is TONS of stuff about vacs. This is the link -

http://listserv.tbinet.org/archives/einstein-syndrome.html

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Vaccination does not cause autism!!!!!!!!

I don't want to make this personal, but please do not let people convince you that vaccinations are dangerous.
There is not one single controlled study that I am aware of, and I would welcome anyone bringing these to my attention, that shows a causal relationshp between vaccinations and autism.
Her are a number of scientifically reviewed journal articles showing the SAFETY of vaccinations.

Immunizations, immunology, and autism. Semin Pediatr Neurol. 2004 Sep;11(3):214-7.
MMR vaccination and autism : what is the evidence for a causal association? Drug Safety 2004;27(12):831-40.
Autism and measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine: No epidemiological evidence for a causal association. Lancet 353:2026-2029, 1999.
Negative association between MMR and autism. Lancet 353:1987-1988, 1999.
Adverse Effects of Pertussis and Rubella Vaccines, Washington, DC: National Academy Press, 1991.

Most vaccines no longer contain Thimerosal, an additive that contains mercury, due to public concerns - even though studies showed it was in fact safe.

It is true that there are extremely rare cases of adverse side affects associated with allergic reactions to immunizations. But the risks need to be evaluated in relation to the risks from the diseases these vaccines prevent.

The following info can be found in various literature from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Disease-Related Risks to:
Measles:
Pneumonia: 1 in 20
Encephalitis: 1 in 2,000
Death: 1 in 3,000
Mumps:
Encephalitis: 1 in 300

Rubella
Congenital Rubella Syndrome:
1 in 4, (if woman becomes infected
early in pregnancy)

Adverse Effects of Vaccination to MMR vaccine:
Encephalitis or severe allergic reaction:
1 in 1,000,000

Disease-Related Risks to:
Diphtheria
Death: 1 in 20

Tetanus
Death: 3 in 100

Pertussis
Pneumonia: 1 in 8
Encephalitis: 1 in 20
Death: 1 in 20

Adverse Effects of Vaccination to DTP Vaccine:
Continuous crying, then full recovery: 1 in 100
Convulsions or shock, then full recovery: 1 in 1,750
Acute encephalopathy: 0-10.5 in 1,000,000
Death: None proven

Of all deaths reported to Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) between 1990 and 1992, only one is believed to be even possibly associated with a vaccine.

For more info, please see the fllowing link:
http://www.quackwatch.org/03HealthPromotion/immu/immu00.html

I apologize if I come across as harsh, but this is a subject near and dear to my heart.

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Brock is 7 months and has had all vaccinations on time. He has been super healthy with exception of rotavirus, which they are working on a vaccination for. Obviously we are each entitled to our own opinions and want to do the best for our kids. There is so much information available today it is sometimes tough to know what the right decision is. I do trust my pediatrician who supports vaccinations. Take care!
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This is going to sound catty, Darryl, but please don't take it that way. I am not offended, nor do I wish to offend you. But seriously, the government says these vaccinations are safe because they HAVE to. It's too late for them now to say they are not. Vaccinations CAN cause autism. I'm not saying they ALWAYS do, of course, but they ABSOLUTELY CAN. It's almost like Russian Roulette. I wouldn't say this so emphatically if I hadn't met, or known those who have met, people in this very situation. And then of course these people that have had this happen after immunizations reach out and find more people in the same situation. It's very real and it's happening.
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quote:
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This is going to sound catty, Darryl, but please don't take it that way. I am not offended, nor do I wish to offend you. But seriously, the government says these vaccinations are safe because they HAVE to. It's too late for them now to say they are not. Vaccinations CAN cause autism. I'm not saying they ALWAYS do, of course, but they ABSOLUTELY CAN. It's almost like Russian Roulette. I wouldn't say this so emphatically if I hadn't met, or known those who have met, people in this very situation. And then of course these people that have had this happen after immunizations reach out and find more people in the same situation. It's very real and it's happening.

I agree with you. I "know" a mother (via a message board) who's child obviously has vaccine damage (started regressing immediently after his vaccines) . . . and she is not the only one I know. Which is why I posted the links I did, to make people aware of it.

Qadoshyah

BTW -Darryl, the quackwatch link you posted didn't work for me.


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Hi Kelly,
You certainly do not sound catty, and I am in no way offended.

I realize this is a sensitive subject, and especially when a parent whose child has autism is concerned.
I am, however, convinced that there is NO CAUSAL LINK between vaccinations and autism.
While I do not wish to go into details, I feel somewhat qualified to speak on this as I am an immunologist.

Regarding the comment that it's too late for the government to say anything now - while I don't agree with everything the government does or says, I don't believe it is in the habit of putting peoples health and lives at risk in order to "save face". As I earlier stated, the government not too long ago removed Thimerosal from vaccine formulations due to public concern, even though there was NO EVIDENCE it casued ANY adverse affects. In my opinion, our goverment (U.S.) tends to err on the side of caution.

There are a couple of things to keep in mind when you hear of the links between autism and vaccinations.

1)Autism is usually detected between 12-18 months of age; the MMR vaccine is usually given between 12-15 months of age. This is what we refer to as a statistical anomaly, like the incidence of deaths in India correlating with ice cream consumption in the U.S. The two may coincide, but one has nothing to do with the other. In addition, to take this one step further, most parents are very observant of their children immediately following a vaccination - for legitimate concerns regarding rare but real allergic reactions. It is not suprising that previously undetected signs of autism might then be recognized.

2)The rate of autism in children receiving the MMR vaccine and those that have not is the same. - disproving any causal link between the two.
Moreover, at least 1 study has gone back and utilized home videos and shown that many children who are diagnosed with autism at 12-18 months of age already exhibited signs of autism at a much younger age, long before being vaccinated.

At the risk of sounding confrontational, I am adamantly opposed to parents witholding vaccinations, which cearly puts their children at serious health risks, for reasons of unsubstantiated concerns of adverse affects of the vaccine.

You might find the following published report enlightening:


MMR Vaccine and Autism--A New Study...


In 1998, British scientists suggested that the measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine might be a cause of autism. They based their conclusion on a study of only 12 children who had developmental disorders, most of which were identified as autism. In 8 of the 12 cases, the children's parents or physicians suggested that the MMR vaccine might have contributed to the onset of the behavioral problems. This finding created great concern, and prompted a number of studies to see whether it was correct. Almost all of them failed to find a link between MMR vaccine and autism, and a new study from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) came to a similar conclusion. In that study, the CDC researchers used school immunization records to check on vaccinations received by 624 children with autism and compared them with over 1200 children without autism. The major finding was that the first MMR vaccine was given at the same age in children with autism and those without autism, which suggested that the age at which a child receives their first MMR vaccination doesn't affect the risk of developing autism. (DeStefano F et al: Pediatrics, February, 2004, pp. 259-266)

...And An Interesting Development


As we noted above, the original claim that the MMR vaccine caused autism was published in 1998 in the British medical journal called The Lancet. Now, 10 of the 13 researchers responsible for that study have retracted their conclusion, admitting that they did not have enough evidence to suggest that the MMR vaccine caused autism. On February 23, the Lancet's editor stated (on the journal's web site), that the lead author of that report (who did not sign the letter of retraction) had failed to reveal to the journal that he had a conflict of interest when he conducted the research, since at the time he was also gathering information for lawyers representing parents who suspected that their children had developed autism because of the vaccine. In his defense, a colleague of that author argues that the researcher had not become involved with the lawyer until after the study had essentially been finished. (O'Connor A: New York Times, March 5, 2004)

COMMENT: What's so unfortunate about this issue is the fact that the original report was not worthy of publication in the first place. Most careful scientists recognized at the time that the evidence suggesting a link between autism and the MMR vaccine was extremely weak; more than five years later, most of the report's authors have belatedly come to the same conclusion. In the face of the widespread publicity given to that finding, however, public health officials had no choice but to conduct studies to see whether the suggestion was correct, and not surprisingly, the overwhelming evidence now finds no support for it. It's sad that so many parents were alarmed by the 1998 report, and it's also sad to think how much effort scientists had to spend on proving the study wrong, when those efforts could have instead been devoted to other activities that would have benefited children's health.

Source: Child Health Alert, May2004, Vol. 22, p4, 1p



Qadoshyah,
I'm not sure why the link did not work for you. I tried it again and it seems to be working.


BTW-in case anyone is wondering, I do not work for a pharmaceutical company - I have no stake in vaccines other than my belief that they are important safeguards of our children's health.
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I know this is a hot subject even in the general population people do not give children all their vaccinations. It is interesting to hear it all. I guess I would rather error on the side of having the vaccination. My other two children have had all of their shots and I never really thought twice about it. I thought it was important for them to have their shots then as I believe that Anthony needs his shots now. With the increase risk of such things as bird flu or even chicken poxs I just think it is in the best interest of my children to make sure they have all their shots. Since Anthony has not had any other major heath concerns (so far) I would rather make sure he has his vacations to prevent any prolonged time in the hospital.
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The quackwatch link worked for me today . . . I think my internet was freaking out that day.

Darryll wrote -

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At the risk of sounding confrontational, I am adamantly opposed to parents witholding vaccinations, which cearly puts their children at serious health risks, for reasons of unsubstantiated concerns of adverse affects of the vaccine.


I'm not offended at your post at all. I just want to mention, that I honestly believe that if we would have vaccinated my brother when our doctors were asking us about it, I believe he would have been seriously messed up. He was not in a good shape . . . he was very hypothyroid, he was very zinc deficient, and selenium deficient. So, for our case, I am very strong in our opinion of this (since I love my brother very much). I hope I didn't come across wrong, at all .

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Qadoshyah,
I understand. There is certainly no reason a child should be immunized when they are seriously ill. It can be put off until they are better. I have delayed immunizations a few weeks if my child was sick during the scheduled visit.

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Ok, this thread has become really popular-so now while risking the potential of someone finding my reply as being confrontational or judgmental-here is my opinion:

My 14 year old daughter experienced seizures after a DPT shot, it was determined that she was allergic to the compound that made up the P part "pertussis". It was a horrifying experience. She only had DT shots after that. The same child had a verified case of mumps in 2003, we were even contacted by the CDC about it.

My youngest daughter received every possible vaccine. She had some critical health conditions and considering the possible complications by contracting a childhood disease was not a possibility for my daughter. For her this meant she had the flu a few times, she also had pneumonia after each RSV vaccine-but she never had RSV. She had the chicken pox shot-and she got them right after. I am thankful that her reactions-of getting ill after a shot were better than getting RSV or a strong unmanageable bout of the flu.

I guess what I am trying to say is that the debate about whether or not one should vaccinate a child is a rather personal issue. Some people do publish some very unreliable results from small biased studies to achieve the results they want to write, this occurs in every aspect of life. Take the subject of Down syndrome for example. Most of us have done plenty of research about it, and I know I have personally found some very strange reports and results on occasion. Simply publishing results of a study do not indicate it is from a relevant source. One must be proactive and make the right decision for their child.

Fortunately, the data published by our government, at least here in the US, is generally created by another source-such as a private individual or group requested to study a certain subject. While it is entirely possible that these sources will be biased-it is rather unlikely in my opinion.

It would not benefit our government to pull the wool over our eyes by allowing our children to have shots that are dangerous-as our children is the future population. They do not want to see a decrease in people-it would not benefit them. They do not want to see an increase in certain diseases or medical conditions-it would not benefit them. They do not have a specific motivation for vaccinating our children outside of disease prevention.

I am not saying that children have not had reactions to vaccines or that there is no correlation to certain vaccines and conditions or disorders that may arise after vaccination. I am only saying that if the general population feels that the value of vaccination outweighs the value of risk-I am still going to vaccinate my child.

There will always be conformers, and non-conformers, believers and non-believers. The bottom line is that these vaccines have made monumental strides in infant and childhood mortality. This speaks volumes in terms of childhood disease prevention.

Those who elect not to vaccinate-must provide our daycares and schools with a waiver for why they did not vaccinate-to my knowledge the only exception that is allowed is one based on religious practices. Therefore, most of us do not really have the option to refrain from vaccinations entirely.

Many children lag behind in the typical schedule of vaccines often because of other simple childhood illnesses or health conditions that are more pressing than the vaccine, these are not people attempting to avoid vaccination-the children are just behind a bit.

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I believe in immunising and so far all my kids have been immunised. Talitha had her 2 month needles and slept for 3 days except for crying episodes. She also hasn't fed very well since but is progressing otherwise. We put in an adverse reaction report but none of the medical people were concerned as her reaction was not considered severe.

We have had whooping cough come through town twice in a year so I am not risking the known dangers for the unknown.

She is due for her 4 month immunisation but I am waiting until after her heart surgery which will be on 23rd of March.
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